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I first saw this on the INFJ forum. Just plug in the same block of text in each of the four links below and find out what your writing type is. Something you've written in your blog might be a good writing sample.
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Heh, that's a cool idea
A song I wrote: ISFP A blog post from a year and a half ago: ESFP A short story: ESFJ A blog post from three years ago: ISFJ The best poem I've written: ENFJ Another song: ISTJ A cover letter I just wrote for a job application: INTP My band's bio: ESFJ Some diary entries from a year ago: ESFJ
...Now I'm thinking of ways that their algorithms must be wrong
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Hehe. There is a disclaimer at the top of the page of the first link that says it isn't the same test as the MBTI. What this determines is which attitudes (E/I) and functions (P/J, T/F, S/N) you are using when writing a particular text. I suppose part of the algorithm classifies the type of words used in a given block of text. For instance, if you often used sensing words in the sample text, then of course, the sniffer will detect a dominant sensing persona.
For instance, the above paragraph comes out INTJ, which is an acceptable classification for a text that seeks to clarify an algorithm.
In my case, all my short stories come out ESFJ. Most of my poems come out ESFP. Some of my posts on this forum come out INFP. I think the various types depend on the persona I might be subconsciously projecting, or how I was taught to write in school. You know how in creative writing class they always teach us to use vivid verbs, specific nouns, etc.? That will really skew your literary writing persona in favor of extraversion and sensing. Logically, technical writing would come out more thinking than feeling, while fiction will come out more feeling than thinking, unless it's science fiction we're talking about.
Maybe your varied results point to the fact that you are a versatile writer - you can shift your writing voice to suit your purpose.
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I seem to be getting ESFJ a lot, with over 90% for feeling every time.
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Interesting! The tests don't really distinguish between extraversion for our judging functions and extraversion for our perceiving functions, but I can see how your writing expresses extraverted feeling. Did you try the test on any one of your blog entries?
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Mhmm, putting in old entries too....
I would say that the more negative entries get higher Introversion percentages, and the more positive seem to be higher Extroversion.
I am consistently getting high for Sensing, 85%-95%, and Feeling 90%-99.5%
P/J is jumping around a bit, but the Judging is always higher.
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story I wrote in middle school: ESFP Story from perspective of 4 year old: ESFJ (over 99% F!) Story I wrote last year:ESFP Story I wrote when I was 5: ENF (99.9% F ) P Long Blog Post: ISFJ
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@Box: You've been writing stories since you were 5?
And I think you write pretty decently. What I mean is that you don't mangle your sentences or dangle your modifiers, and all that stuff. And I enjoy reading how you describe your experiences. Maybe that jives with your predominantly SFJ results. Ya know how details-oriented SFJs can be.
@Narik: Something about that I-E phenomenon reminds me of what DC said about how when the stress is coming from outside, the tendency is to withdraw (become introverted), whereas, when we are pressuring ourselves, then we tend to direct our focus outwards (become extraverted).
Do you think you're using your sensing in an extraverted way (describing sensations) or in an introverted way (remembering things)? I wonder if the test can pick up introverted sensing though.
About you registering as a "feeling" writer, I don't know about the rest of the 'verse but the first impression I had about your online persona is that of a compassionate big brother - looking out for other people - and that seemed very much like the use of extraverted feeling to me.
The P-J test is the part I find most intriguing. I wonder what sort of words would qualify as judging words. Perhaps there were many "musts" and "shoulds" in your blog entries? Although I don't recall that being the case....
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I'm most interested in how it categorises the S/N dimension. I mean, I think a lot of the ideas in my songs and poems wouldn't interest many sensors, but I'm not sure how I could write those ideas without using sensory details and figurative language that the algothrim flags as S.
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@Narik:...about you registering as a "feeling" writer, I don't know about the rest of the 'verse but the first impression I had about your online persona is that of a compassionate big brother - looking out for other people
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Fraser wrote:
I'm most interested in how it categorises the S/N dimension. I mean, I think a lot of the ideas in my songs and poems wouldn't interest many sensors, but I'm not sure how I could write those ideas without using sensory details and figurative language that the algothrim flags as S.
Ode to an intuitive
Oh your abstraction Amounts to distraction Esoterically neat In fact incomplete When it's about intuition Forgive my rendition
But yes, it's the context that matters in these things.
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Fraser wrote:
I'm most interested in how it categorises the S/N dimension. I mean, I think a lot of the ideas in my songs and poems wouldn't interest many sensors, but I'm not sure how I could write those ideas without using sensory details and figurative language that the algothrim flags as S.
I'm curious about the best poem you've ever written and why it came out ENFJ. How was it different from your other songs and poems?
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I got it wrong: I tried it again, and it's "ENFP", which sounds right - it's definitely got Fi and Ne going on.
My guesses: "E" - because it uses second-person and plural pronouns. I think the poem's actually very introverted. "N" - because of the lack of sensory/concrete adjectives? "F" - because of the exclamation marks? "P" - because of the question marks and the modal verbs.
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--------------- Alpine Ghazal (2008)
When plates shift, we all must dance to their slow music. The holy high places are laid low - but - oh, music!
I'm calling out, a small thing among these hills: are you close enough, if you hear, to know music?
Where I grew up, the mountains had imported names. They knew their older names in winter-snow-music.
You would be salt for the roads, warmth for the journey; would I be pilgrim enough, though, Music?
I'll chip away at the rock face, blow by blow and find - in me - a safe place to stow music.
I have ears, limbs, two good lungs. I have the words! But Fraser, you risk an avalanche! You must forgo music.
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This is pretty neat As it is being talked about already, its interesting see how this thing comes up with these results.
A paragraph from my blog: ESFJ %80 extroverted %82 sensing %90 feeling %52 judging
A poem i wrote: INFJ %95 introverted %67 intuition %91 feeling %72 judging
Here is the poem:
Spoiler:
Music, fantasy, and feeling.
My feelings, are like a drug. Once again i let the music play, i start to feel, feelings so strong. Experiencing pain, melancholy, anger, joy, excitement, and love without any influence from reality. I just sit back and experience my "drug". My drug that i undulge in to feel, feeling such amazing uplifting things and the dark sadness too. Those feelings of melancholy, feel so good, yet it hurts. I cant seem to get away from this drug, i need it so much. I want to get away from this dependency, but... Doubt remains... What if my drug goes away? Will i feel those feelings anymore?
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Well, the word "safe" does seem the most INFx of all, followed by journey and holy. Music which comes up often in the poem is definitly introverted and perceiving but sensory and feeling.
"Slow" which describes the experience of an external reality is understandably extraverted.
But how is it that the word "you" should end up with only 335 out of 1000 points for extraversion? Can someone please explain that to me?
Holy psycholinguistics! How did the author of these text classifiers determine the weight of each word?
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But let's try it on the famous song, "To Dream the Impossible Dream" from the Man of La Mancha. 'Tis a song that raises the hairs on my nape.
To dream the impossible dream To fight the unbeatable foe To bear with unbearable sorrow To run where the brave dare not go To right the unrightable wrong To love pure and chaste from afar To try when your arms are too weary To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest To follow that star No matter how hopeless No matter how far
To fight for the right Without question or pause To be willing to march into Hell For a heavenly cause
And I know if I'll only be true To this glorious quest That my heart will lie peaceful and calm When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this That one man, scorned and covered with scars Still strove with his last ounce of courage To reach the unreachable star
The results: 76.9% E,91.7% N,88.2% F,58.6% J
Tilting at windmills = ENFJ
For this sample, the results are believable.
Still, I think I can exploit this tool to determine which segment of the population my attempts at fiction would appeal to.
I think I shall also try excerpts from Dickens and Shakespeare. Joy toy!
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@expression is life: I did find your poem very much INF-like.
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Tried it with the story I posted here and got INFP.
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An old blog post I had on INFPgc - INTP (98% introversion, 90% intuition, 80% thinking, only just over 50% perceiving though).
A loooong, private piece I wrote shortly after discovering MBTI and my type - also INTP (also 98% I, 90% N, 75% T).
A slightly more concise old blog post - INFP (94% I, 90% N, 91% F).
I can't tell whether it was posted or not. Analysed it anyway - INTP again (96% I, 90% N, 75% T).
I'd post copies of the texts in here, but not only would it be horribly out of context to do so, it'd probably drag the post across three pages.
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I see a pattern developing! What's interesting for me to note is that I've never gotten below around 95% Introversion and 80% iNtuition in anything I've analysed. I guess that makes sense, since I always seem to approach things from a very personal angle (consequently end up making frequent use of personal pronouns). I don't know why the N is so strong nor do I know why my judging function flits between polarised Feeling and Thinking, more commonly thinking. Of the four, the attitude is least consistent or prominent, never going above ~65% P. I agree with this if only because on reflection, I had some very J tendencies when I was younger (stronger Ni).
Well this does seem like an interesting tool indeed. I wouldn't mind delving into the code a little to see how it works, but I'm tired and lazy.
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I've had some doubts about my decision-making function in the past, but my results using various writing styles were fairly consistent. Something to ponder? o.O
(2011)Learning report for class (AAS 313): (I) 81.3% (E) 18.7% (N) 99.4% (S) 0.6% (T) 99.9% (F) 0.1% (J) 55.9% (P) 44.1% (the most J of any of my writing segments)
(2011)Reaction to film for WGST 202 on LGBTs living with HIV/AIDS: (I) 98.3% (E) 1.7% (N) 96.0% (S) 4.0% (T) 96.1% (F) 3.9% (P) 62.3% (J) 37.7%
(2011)Little informal rant/blurb I wrote on the state of education in the USA: (I) 94.8% (E) 5.2% (N) 74.7% (S) 25.3% (T) 99.9% (F) 0.1% (P) 61.2% (J) 38.8%
(2011)Reaction to an article I read on a social issue: (I) 99.3% (E) 0.7% (N) 98.4% (S) 1.6% (T) 99.6% (F) 0.4% (P) 88.2% (J) 11.8%
(2009)Analysis of Pablo Neruda's poem "The Brutalized Birds": (I) 89.4% (E) 10.6% (N) 86.1% (S) 13.9% (T) 96.4% (F) 3.6% (P) 85.2% (J) 14.8%
(2009) Personal journal entry: (I) 99.8% (E) 0.2% (N) 96.2% (S) 3.8% (T) 99.0% (F) 1.0% (P) 51.2% (J) 48.8%
(2009) And the piece that doesn't quite fit! Excerpt from a fantasy/science fiction short story: (E) 84.7% (I) 15.3% (S) 82.0% (N) 18.0% (F) 96.2% (T) 3.8% (P) 57.8% (J) 42.2%
Fascinating.
EDIT: That was the order in which I originally tested the random writing samples, as well. I thought it was kinda funny how the INTP results all came up in a row, beginning with INTJ, followed by ESFP. It's like an INTP sandwich!
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That's so weird! All I did was edit my rant on education by adding a sentence with a subtle Langston Hughes ('cause why not?) reference and my N went from 74.7 to 89.2, but the rest of my functions stayed almost exactly the same. I bet Hughes was an N fellow.
Some people in the discussion on the topic tried to argue that education doesn't vary widely across regions in the US, that everyone receives equal services and is regarded equally, everything's all fine and dandy, and that no, the arts aren't terribly important and worth keeping around. It made me just the eeeensiest bit, well...
For giggles, I guess I'll share the rant:
Quote:
No, students in the United States do not receive the same quality of education. Quality of education varies widely across regions and is further complicated by issues such as racism. For instance, taking into consideration racial minorities, it is evident that the majority of subordinated groups enroll less in school and are presented with less educational opportunities, especially in the cases of Native Americans, whose dropout rate is at least 50% higher than African Americans and Hispanic/Latino(a) Americans (who themselves experience fewer educational opportunities), and nearly three times that of White Americans. Quality of education, at the same time, is compromised for subordinated groups, who are presented with decaying schoolhouses and a deplorable lack of funding.
There are some racial and ethnic minorities who in fact perform better than White Americans, such as Asian Americans, who as a whole have the highest obtainment of bachelor degrees (49.4%), but even among the sub-groups of Asian Americans there is great disparity in quality of education, as is found in other racial minorities (for instance, Cuban Americans are likely to receive better schooling than Mexican Americans, which parallels the difference in acceptance between the two groups upon arrival to the United States). The social construct of race, despite fluctuating wildly over time, despite its inherent contradictions and devastation caused by reducing dynamic, diverse identity to what were previously meaningless, static characteristics, yet manages to affix itself as concrete truth in the minds of policymakers and the populace. Some would attempt to argue that there's no issue of inequality because discrimination is illegal... right? Laws and policies might not have the capacity to expressly state their intention to suppress a certain segment of the population, but the manners in which they are constructed and implemented do. Additionally, often an indirect, more subtle approach is taken - for instance, institutionalized racism and racial segregation in public housing and redistricting.
Also, as stated above, there is a difference in funding by region. Going from state to state, the range in teacher income can vary by $20,000 or more, often reflecting the success of one state's economy and other political and social factors intertwined. Even within states, there are districts that are far wealthier than others, so that bordering cities and towns could give rise to drastically different educational institutions. For example, I remember one time a school official came to my high school and showed the figure for the amount of money each student was allotted for a year of education - it varied significantly as opposed to many schools in the area, especially wealthier schools that were host to a cornucopia of programs and services I could never imagine in my own school.
Still, though, there were institutions running with less resources than my own. I've read stories and been to schools where roofs had caved in, where there was no air conditioning/heating and almost useless plumbing, a scarcity of functional light bulbs, of interested teachers (or just any teachers), of sanitation, of really any learning material. One would imagine that despite the environment, as long as the spirit of learning persists education can prosper, but here... hope has given into despair, and you can clearly see it in the eyes of those who have had their voices silenced and their dreams deferred. The degree to which funding varies boggles the mind; for instance, in 5th and 6th grades, I attended school in what was called a "portable" - AKA, a trailer (with no bathrooms). Just a short distance away, there were gleaming schools where the fortunate children inside would likely never have to imagine attempting to learn while surrounded by an environment that said quite distinctly "yes, this is how much we care about your education." If you show a student that that is how much you care, what do you expect in return?
Attitude, here, is a major issue. Self-fulfilling prophecies are potentially incredibly dangerous, and incredibly wondrous, as the attitude we display towards our students and their successes can determine the course of their education. Children in schools with low funding find an environment that screams "hey, we'll give you an education, but don't expect us to care whether you actually learn anything," while highly funded schools find just the opposite to be the case. With a lack of role models and teachers motivated to, well, motivate their students and promote an air of optimism and support, self-fulfilling prophecies and a student's resulting self-concept are critical in maintaining gaps in academic achievement.
In addition to this, our narrow-minded view of education can be severely limiting to some students. When you provide a small opening and attempt to shove a much larger, dynamic object through it, it is likely that some aspects of the object will have to be forced off of it in order for it to fit through the tiny hole. In other words, by limiting funding, and limiting it more so towards such subjects as the fine arts, humanities and music, you are depriving children of the opportunity to explore facets of themselves that could have entailed the person they truly wanted to be, who they truly should have been. A child could go their entire academic career and not realize their potential to be a masterful artist, all because a school had cut funding for that program. We are losing vital components of ourselves by carrying on in such a way, and giving rise to students who are not as well-rounded. The skills gleaned by fostering creativity bolster every subject found in the realm of academia. To limit this exploration creates discrepancies not only between students who would have shined in these areas, but between any student in a school who cuts funding for any subject, as opposed to a school offering a wider array of subject matter.
Although it is mandated that all students receive public education up to a certain point, it is still far more likely that an individual from a wealthy family will succeed in school and that they will go on to college to receive bachelor degrees and beyond. Often, the requirements to get into school require that an individual has participated in programs that are available only to people who attended well-funded schools. If an application does not have these items listed, it is probable that it will be rejected, even if the applicant were actually qualified to be admitted to an institution of higher learning. For this reason, the same wealthy families that have been found in universities across the countries persist, while families from poorer backgrounds are more likely to be turned away. Second-generation, Third-generation (etc., etc.) bias is an issue in education, and one of the problems the contested Affirmative Action has sought to fight.
In general, there is a lack of funding directed towards education in this country. For example, a celebrity who sells their name to advertise a certain type of perfume would likely make more money for a single ad than a teacher makes in an entire year. In other words, we pay those who serve to distract the country more than we do those who are responsible for educating the children responsible for its future. Clearly, our priorities are a little skewed.
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