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Ahh. I never would have guessed that the model was based on winner and loser scripts. But the overall structure did remind me of Erik Erikson's Stages of Psychosocial Development (that whole Trust vs. Mistrust model).
I have very little doubt that Leary borrowed from Erickson's Ideas as well. That's part of the reason why I like this model so much, it synthesis so many things. (Thanks for pointing me towards Erikson's theory btw, I hadn't heard of it before. From a brief check of its wiki page it seems pretty nifty).
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While reading up on the different kinds of normal brain waves (alpha, beta, theta, gamma, delta), I came across an unusual kind of EEG (electroencephalogram) called the Mind Mirror EEG. What it does is map the the different brainwaves produced by the left and right hemispheres of the subject's brain.
Note: The Mind Mirror EEG is NOT the Mind Mirror Game developed by Timothy Leary.
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"Note the relative balance between the brain waves in each hemisphere, the peaks in amplitude in each of the alpha, theta, and delta areas, and the relatively small amplitude in the beta area. This pattern is very similar to that of the "Awakened Mind" identified by researcher Maxwell Cade."
A person who is deeply meditating uses the whole brain - producing a symmetrical pattern of brain waves across the spectrum. Unconscious processes are most active when the delta waves (bars at the bottom of the graph) are well-pronounced.
And when the brain produces all brain waves at a high amplitude, then the conscious (gamma, beta and alpha levels) and the unconscious (delta, theta levels) are able to share information.
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Notice how much more intense the right hemisphere's brain waves are compared to the left. Both hemispheres, however, are producing high-amplitude brain waves across the spectrum.
Could this be the graph of a mind in circuit 7/8 consciousness?
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The AWAKENED MIND™ brainwave pattern combines the intuitive, empathetic radar of the delta waves, the creative inspiration, personal insight, and spiritual awareness of the theta waves, the bridging capacity and relaxed, detached, awareness of the alpha waves, and the external attention and ability to consciously process thought of beta waves, all at the same time. It is a brainwave pattern shared by people in higher states of consciousness regardless of their philosophy, theology or meditation technique. This brainwave pattern can be found during “peak experience” and in all forms of creativity and high performance. The awakened mind is also the “ah-ha,” appearing at the exact instant of solving the problem, or getting the insight.
Now I'm thinking this EEG can actually tell you when a person just used his Ni or Ne....
I wanted to post this information in this thread because I thought it might provide organic proof for the left and right-brain-based levels of consciousness.
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Nice mind maps crystal.
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I've refined the descriptions of the circuits on the previous page a little after reading Wilson's Cosmic Trigger (though the 8th circuit particularly still needs some work).
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In Cosmic Trigger, Wilson mentions that Leary also developed a set of 24 sub-circuits (that Leary termed the "Periodic Table of Evolution"), which attempted to describe the process people go through when developing and integrating each circuit into their conciousness. The process is in three steps, the input function, the integrative function and the output function (I think these three functions tie in with Montessori's three stages of learning: absorption, imitation/repetition, application).
Note: Terms in brackets represent what Leary felt were the equivalent levels of consciousness exhibited by life and human culture during the course of their evolution and development. Terms in square brackets represent my own interpretation of what Leary and Wilson are actually referring to, due to the fact that I don't currently buy into their reality tunnel when it comes to ESP and the like so those terms mean something different to me, they represent certain frames of mind rather than referring specifically to particular para-psychic abilities).
Circuit 1: The newborn (uni-cellular conciousness) The demanding infant (marine conciousness) Mother-child bonding (amphibian consciousness)
Circuit 2: The toddler (trickster mammal) The fighting child (predator mammal) The political child (pack-bonding)
Circuit 3: The learning child (palaeolithic) The skilful child (Neolithic) The creative child (bronze age)
Circuit 4: The adolescent (barbarian bands) The parent (patriarchal civilisation) Centralised socialism* (hive-unity)
Circuit 6: ESP pre-cognition [or in other words, seeing things from other points of view] The neuro-logician (the shaman) "The concious circle of humanity" [self-awareness]
circuit 7: DNA awareness [awareness of commonalities between humanity/life] DNA engineering (longevity)** DNA fusion (ecological symbiosis) [oneness with humanity/life]
circuit 8: Cosmic conciousness [development of non-self POV] Cosmic engineering [integration of ideas regarding non-self] Cosmic fusion [enlightenment]
*Pretty sure neither Leary or Wilson are referring to the political theory here.
**The emphasis on longevity and DNA here is down to two reasons: one is that Leary and Wilson were big on intelligence enhancement, longevity and space-migration (which they termed "SMI2LE") believing them to be three key steps in future human evolution/development. The other is that Leary and Wilson appear to have been using a misinterpretation of Jung's theories on the collective unconscious. They appear to have thought he meant that it is a repository of all human knowledge gained up to that point through the course of evolution, but what Jung actually meant was that because people tend to have similar experiences in their lives everybody's unconscious minds tend to assign similar meanings to the symbolic images those experiences generate (so, for example, large bodies of water tend to represent the unconscious mind itself for most everybody. Men's feminine sides tend to be represented by a female "anima", and women's masculine sides by a male "animus". etc.).
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This next bit is a little off-topic because it concerns Bell's theorem, which leads to some of the more esoteric things about the model that I've mostly left out and avoided referring to (such as OOBE, precognition, telepathy, etc.), mostly because to varying degrees I'm currently unconvinced of their existence and also I think the model just works better without them. But this needs posting because it sets straight some misunderstandings of mine about Bell's theorem.
Bell's theorem was written in response to the EPR paradox of Einstein, Rosen and Podolski. This paradox was in turn written in response to some of the theories of quantum mechanics, particularly those that stated that there were elements of the universe that were forever unknowable (such as Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle).
The EPR paradox attempted to prove that these theories showed that quantum mechanics was incomplete, because these unmeasurable aspects must either be due to non-locality (things interacting faster than the speed of light, something determined as impossible by Einstein's theories on relativity) or it was due to hidden local variables (things in the local environment that we cannot currently measure that are affecting the particle in question directly).
Bell's theorem seems to show that no theory of Local Hidden Variables can reproduce all the predictions of quantum mechanics (though some argue that Bell's theorem is incomplete), which if true means that either:
1) locality is false or 2) objectivity is false or 3) quantum mechanics is false
If locality is false then there are at least two possibilities that will result from that: either super-luminal transfer of information (information being transferred faster than the speed of light) is possible, or synchronistic acausal connections are possible (things happening at different points in time and space affecting each other, without any observable intention or means of connection). It's worth noting that non-local interactions seem to be supported by quantumly entangled particles (which as mentioned elsewhere are particles that have at some point come into contact with each other, and from then on continue to react to each other instantaneously no matter the distance between them).
If objectivity is false then we have at least another two possibilities: either an observer-created universe (in which thoughts directly affect reality), or the multiple universes theory is true (in which there are an infinite number of universes, all subtly different from each other). It's worth noting that multiple universes seem to be supported by the inflation theory in the standard model of how the Big Bang happened.
If quantum mechanics is false we are in what fringe physicist Saul-Paul Sirag called a "Whole new ball game", wherein all the confusing and seemingly inexplicable observations thus far will simply be explained by the new revolution in physics that will turn all previous scientific understandings on their head. Quantum mechanics, however, appears to be perhaps one of the most empirically supported theories in science. Interestingly though, the proposed "Theory of Everything" that seeks to marry electromagnetism (the physics of the very big) and quantum mechanics (the psychics of the very small) is just such an attempt to bring about this "whole new ball game", one which many physicists believe is not a mere possibility but an inevitability.
Where Wilson and Leary come into all this is that they believed that para-psychic abilities and phenomenon were a result of one or more of these various possibilities (out-of-body-experiences were a result of non-locality, for example).
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This next bit is a little off-topic because it concerns Bell's theorem, which leads to some of the more esoteric things about the model that I've mostly left out and avoided referring to (such as OOBE, precognition, telepathy, etc.), mostly because to varying degrees I'm currently unconvinced of their existence and also I think the model just works better without them. But this needs posting because it sets straight some misunderstandings of mine about Bell's theorem.
Bell's theorem was written in response to the EPR paradox of Einstein, Rosen and Podolski. This paradox was in turn written in response to some of the theories of quantum mechanics, particularly those that stated that there were elements of the universe that were forever unknowable (such as Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle).
The EPR paradox attempted to prove that these theories showed that quantum mechanics was incomplete, because these unmeasurable aspects must either be due to non-locality (things interacting faster than the speed of light, something determined as impossible by Einstein's theories on relativity) or it was due to hidden local variables (things in the local environment that we cannot currently measure that are affecting the particle in question directly).
Bell's theorem seems to show that no theory of Local Hidden Variables can reproduce all the predictions of quantum mechanics (though some argue that Bell's theorem is incomplete), which if true means that either:
1) locality is false or 2) objectivity is false or 3) quantum mechanics is false
If locality is false then there are at least two possibilities that will result from that: either super-luminal transfer of information (information being transferred faster than the speed of light) is possible, or synchronistic acausal connections are possible (things happening at different points in time and space affecting each other, without any observable intention or means of connection). It's worth noting that non-local interactions seem to be supported by quantumly entangled particles (which as mentioned elsewhere are particles that have at some point come into contact with each other, and from then on continue to react to each other instantaneously no matter the distance between them).
If objectivity is false then we have at least another two possibilities: either an observer-created universe (in which thoughts directly affect reality), or the multiple universes theory is true (in which there are an infinite number of universes, all subtly different from each other). It's worth noting that multiple universes seem to be supported by the inflation theory in the standard model of how the Big Bang happened.
If quantum mechanics is false we are in what fringe physicist Saul-Paul Sirag called a "Whole new ball game", wherein all the confusing and seemingly inexplicable observations thus far will simply be explained by the new revolution in physics that will turn all previous scientific understandings on their head. Quantum mechanics, however, appears to be perhaps one of the most empirically supported theories in science. Interestingly though, the proposed "Theory of Everything" that seeks to marry electromagnetism (the physics of the very big) and quantum mechanics (the psychics of the very small) is just such an attempt to bring about this "whole new ball game", one which many physicists believe is not a mere possibility but an inevitability.
Where Wilson and Leary come into all this is that they believed that para-psychic abilities and phenomenon were a result of one or more of these various possibilities (out-of-body-experiences were a result of non-locality, for example).
Well, WIKI has this much to offer with regard to experiments on Bell's theory and local realism:
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All Bell inequalities describe experiments in which the predicted result assuming entanglement differs from that following from local realism. The inequalities assume that each quantum-level object has a well defined state that accounts for all its measurable properties and that distant objects do not exchange information faster than the speed of light. These well defined states are often called hidden variables, the properties that Einstein posited when he stated his famous objection to quantum mechanics: "God does not play dice."
Bell test experiments to date overwhelmingly show that Bell inequalities are violated. These results provide empirical evidence against local realism and in favor of QM.
Unfortunately for the theory of quantum consciousness...
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The no-communication theorem proves that the observers cannot use the inequality violations to communicate information to each other faster than the speed of light.
In these experiments, the no-communication theorem shows that failure of local realism does not lead to what could be referred to as "spooky communication at a distance" (in analogy with Einstein's labeling of quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance").
But unfortunately for the no-communication theorem, experiments have proven that spooky action at a distance does happen!
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But the trouble with this conclusion [no-communication theorem] (and usually overlooked) is that it applies not only to attempts at communication, but to any experiment. So even if Alice and Bob collect data in coincidence (and hence not for communication purposes), each individual's data should show no indication of the other's actions. This is in contradiction to several experiments.
For example B. Dopfer, a graduate student of Anton Zeilinger (see reference below), has indicated via experiment that it is possible to cause or prohibit an ensemble of photons into making an interference pattern on a screen, by remotely manipulating their entangled twins. This is in contradiction to the no-communication theorem's conclusion. Hence the no-communication theorem is violated by reality. Thus, physicist John Cramer is currently attempting to replicate Zeilinger's experiment for the purpose of communication. (The first experiment, attributed to A. Zeilinger, was actually done by Zeilinger's graduate student B. Dopfer.)
So Bell pair particles don't even have to communicate to cause change in each other simultaneously!
And there is a technique called "entanglement swapping" wherein particle A and particle C can become entangled without ever meeting, for as long as they have an intermediary particle B that transmits the information from A to C within the speed limit.
So if the transfer of quantum information is a possibility, and consciousness does exist at the quantum level, who's to say that consciousness can't be shared at a quantum level - at or near the speed of light?
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That's interesting about entanglement swapping, hadn't heard of that before.
FWIW, regarding the transfer of quantum information: according to some of the articles in New Scientist quantum computers and quantum communication networks are probably only a matter of time away:
New Scientist (I love that journal!) reported recently that a study seems to have discovered that clusters of neurons in the brain resonate in the same way as entangled particles do, that is they react to each other faster than the speed of light can account for. They think it might have some relation to how memories are formed. This supports (though doesn't prove) the idea that the brain and therefore the mind are indeed affected by things happening on the quantum level.
Turns out this "resonance" is just down to normal neuro-electric effects, so nothing to do with quantum entanglement or super-luminal transfer of information.
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Circuit 8 Consciousness: child art prodigy, spiritual visionary, and entrepreneur - Akiane Kramaric
See for yourself: Akiane at 11
Grew up without television, radio, internet. Mother was an atheist. She had no religious instruction. Went missing for an entire month, and her family together with police had to hunt her down without finding her. But one day, she finally just showed up in their house. She said God (Child Jesus) had taken her to heaven to show her things.
Non-local macro-quantum effects = transmigration?
Akiane at 12 - Drawing Heaven
Akiane at 15 - Philanthropist, Entrepreneur and Wannabe Pedagogue
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Yes, I've heard about Akiane before - a very talented and mature young artist and lady.
I find it interesting to wonder whether her artistic talent will continue to grow and develop as she gets older, or whether she 'just' peaked early.
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Went missing for an entire month, and her family together with police had to hunt her down without finding her. But one day, she finally just showed up in their house.
Where did you hear that part? She doesn't mention it in the vids you posted, and I checked a few websites (including her own) and none of them mention it either.
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Non-local macro-quantum effects = transmigration?
Possibly, though obviously as this is a model of conciousness, only in that particular sense (i.e. transmigration of consciousness).
In one of Wilson's books he recounts an incident during what he calls a "neuro-programming experiment" where he "saw" something happening to his son at that exact moment - his son was, apparently, over 500 miles away at the time.
Wilson lists a number of possible "explanations" for this (including that his mind actually travelled there, or that it could all be just sheer coincidence), but at the time of writing the one he preferred was one he claimed is suggested by Bell's Theorem and the like - which is that all the information there is exists all at once, everywhere in the universe, and our localised brains "tap into" this non-localised 'system', filtering out everything it doesn't consider 'relevant' - (you can see how this fits into his idea of "reality-tunnels").
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Non-local macro-quantum effects = transmigration?
Possibly, though obviously as this is a model of conciousness, only in that particular sense (i.e. transmigration of consciousness).
In one of Wilson's books he recounts an incident during what he calls a "neuro-programming experiment" where he "saw" something happening to his son at that exact moment - his son was, apparently, over 500 miles away at the time.
Wilson lists a number of possible "explanations" for this (including that his mind actually travelled there, or that it could all be just sheer coincidence), but at the time of writing the one he preferred was one he claimed is suggested by Bell's Theorem and the like - which is that all the information there is exists all at once, everywhere in the universe, and our localised brains "tap into" this non-localised 'system', filtering out everything it doesn't consider 'relevant' - (you can see how this fits into his idea of "reality-tunnels").
I wonder what Wilson might have thought about Akiane. In one of the videos, she shows her painting of a see-through universe that she was able to see, and this eerily reminds me of the 11 dimensions of Superstring Theory - how a sentient being from a higher dimension can see into the lower dimensions. This also reminds me of how Flatland explains each succeedingly higher dimension - wherein one experiences a greater freedom of consciousness and control over the next lower dimension. For instance, uni-dimensional dots can only travel forward or backward, but bi-dimensional dots can travel forward,back,left and right, but not up and down like the tri-dimensional dotizens who can go inside and outside perimetered shapes but not experience "change" like time-elapsed four-dimensional dotizens. Einstein also has his graphic theory of baby universes which can be pictured as bubbles inside their mother worlds.
So as offspring of this physical universe, you and I are confined to a consciousness operating within a four-dimensional brane. We experience the illusion of a constant "now" - our consciousness moving lockstep with our local condition within Time - which is the possibility and potentiality of change. Akiane must have been removed bodily from the physical circumscription of our 4D-brane (based on her poetry/diary/writings), and tapped into non-local consciousness as she said it was God who was showing her the creation of worlds and the future of these worlds.
I sure would love to have a consciouness that could tap into "heaven"... This boy seems to also have tapped into a non-local consciousness - a tot able to know about the past that no one ever told him about.
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This boy seems to also have tapped into a non-local consciousness - a tot able to know about the past that no one ever told him about.
of course, there remains the possibility that he simply overheard someone talking about it.
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Went missing for ["half a day"], and her family together with police had to hunt her down without finding her. But she finally just showed up in their house.
Where did you hear that part? She doesn't mention it in the vids you posted, and I checked a few websites (including her own) and none of them mention it either.
Akiane talks about it here at length. She was 13 during this video interview. Starts at 2:44.
Here's another interview of Akiane at 13. In the second segment, her mother, Forelli, talks about her daughter's recorded disappearance and astonishing reappearance in front of about 23 policemen and about a hundred witnesses total. Akiane apologized to her mother that the latter had to experience her vanishing and reappearance - it had to happen that way for a reason, she explains. Forelli goes on about Akiane explaining the quantum world, an infinite number of dimensions, and other inexplicable things like her being in both heaven and earth at the same time. Akiane explains that heaven is not in a specific place, but everywhere, at once.
Very circuit 8!!!
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This boy seems to also have tapped into a non-local consciousness - a tot able to know about the past that no one ever told him about.
of course, there remains the possibility that he simply overheard someone talking about it.
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Here's another interview of Akiane at 13. In the second segment, her mother, Forelli, talks about her daughter's recorded disappearance and astonishing reappearance in front of about 23 policemen and about a hundred witnesses total. Akiane apologized to her mother that the latter had to experience her vanishing and reappearance - it had to happen that way for a reason, she explains. Forelli goes on about Akiane explaining the quantum world, an infinite number of dimensions, and other inexplicable things like her being in both heaven and earth at the same time. Akiane explains that heaven is not in a specific place, but everywhere, at once.
Very circuit 8!!!
I'd have to see the police and eye-witness reports corroborating that version of events (that she suddenly reappeared in front of everybody) before considering it as anything other than hyperbole, but yes, Akiane's description of what she says she experienced does seem circuit 8-ish (as I understand circuit 8, anyway).
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That doesn't seem likely based on this...
I have to admit, I don't see anything in that interview that leads me to believe there isn't a far more mundane explanation for what happened (including, unfortunately, the possibility that the parents just made the whole thing up in order to make some money).
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DefectiveCreative wrote:
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Here's another interview of Akiane at 13. In the second segment, her mother, Forelli, talks about her daughter's recorded disappearance and astonishing reappearance in front of about 23 policemen and about a hundred witnesses total. Akiane apologized to her mother that the latter had to experience her vanishing and reappearance - it had to happen that way for a reason, she explains. Forelli goes on about Akiane explaining the quantum world, an infinite number of dimensions, and other inexplicable things like her being in both heaven and earth at the same time. Akiane explains that heaven is not in a specific place, but everywhere, at once.
Very circuit 8!!!
I'd have to see the police and eye-witness reports corroborating that version of events (that she suddenly reappeared in front of everybody) before considering it as anything other than hyperbole, but yes, Akiane's description of what she says she experienced does seem circuit 8-ish (as I understand circuit 8, anyway).
I doubt you consider this a possible instance of mere "hyperbole." The way I see it, if you listened to the interviews, you'd either have to accept the possibility that Mother and daughter were both lying outright, or both were telling the truth. Akiane's description that she saw them searching for her before she materialized, and how she materialized "in a wink of a wink," does not leave room for hyperbole. Her statement that she materialized in their living room was quite clear to me.
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That doesn't seem likely based on this...
I have to admit, I don't see anything in that interview that leads me to believe there isn't a far more mundane explanation for what happened (including, unfortunately, the possibility that the parents just made the whole thing up in order to make some money).
If you dig deeper into the story, you'll read about the nurses attending to Colton who heard him call for his father (ONLY), immediately after Colton came back to life. There would be very little time for Colton to make up stories about relatives he supposedly had heard of before. Why would Colton only ask for his father and not his Mom? Why was Colton so convinced that Jesus had a specific message for his father that the first thing he'd do as a recovering flatliner, was to tell his father that Jesus told him that He was answering his father's prayer specifically? Remember that Mr. Burpo was in the hospital refectory praying to God - and Colton was dead/recovering while this was happening in another room in the hospital. Also, why would Mr. Burpo stake his reputation on this claim when there were hospital attendants who could easily refute his narrative of Colton's immediate witnessing of Jesus in heaven? Hospital records would show the dates, times and hospital personnel in attendance - it would only be too easy to refute Mr. Burpo's narration that such an event had occurred. Point is, here is a documented claim that non-local and non-temporal awareness is possible.
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