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trondor
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Post subject: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:17 pm |
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Here is an outtake from Scott Adam's blog http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/the_best_way_to_kill_creativity/Quote: I've noticed that creativity so often springs from hardship or pain that I wonder if it's a precondition. That would make sense from an evolution perspective. Humans don't need to come up with new ideas when everything is running smoothly. We need creativity when we're threatened and all of the usual defenses are deemed inadequate. In other words, the best way to generate creativity is to induce hardship on humans, which would be unethical. Conversely, the best way to reduce creativity is to - wait for it - make things nice and comfortable for creative people. In other words, any ethical attempt to encourage creativity will have the unintended effect of killing it. Happy creators are not productive. Maybe this can be applied to hard work and effort altogheter, and not just creativity. When we reach our goals, we kill our drive. I wonder if this might have an effect on society as a whole. The decadency thing all over again, that when a cultur become to succesfull they stop reinventing themselves and thus eventually lose competition with the up-and-rising cultures. This is all very gloomy and pessimistic, but I wonder if this is a natural thing. That you need the downs to get the ups, and if the ups get to frequent you'll get tainted. Any thoughts?
_________________ Is the cup half-full or half-empty? Neither, the cup is the rightful domain of air, and water are the imperialistic invader that must be fought by all means neccesary. Drink it.
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:00 pm |
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Material prosperity may be achieved, but hardships remain. Look at the boundless harm human emotion causes... if creativity does require suffering then I don't feel it's in any danger of running out. I like to believe though that creativity can spring from joy just as easily as pain.
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:48 am |
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From my experience, I often become more aware of things after rough times. More aware at details and the beauty of everyday stuff I so often take for granted.
_________________ Is the cup half-full or half-empty? Neither, the cup is the rightful domain of air, and water are the imperialistic invader that must be fought by all means neccesary. Drink it.
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:03 am |
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i don't really agree. i think creativity can come from any strong emotion or interesting idea or when you've figured out a good process for your work. productivity comes from discipline.
some of my favorite albums have been break up albums (blood on the tracks, rumors) but others like fleetwood mac's self titled and sgt. peppers came at a time when the bands were pretty happy.
i agree that achieving success can make you lazy and distracted. i know that's what would happen to me...
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:54 am |
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I agree with everyone that's disagreeing.
If we assume it's inherent that strong emotions cause creativity (or allow for it), then a hard life will have creativity fueled by that. But if you get your emotions from positive sources then you still have creativity fueled by emotion.
What Scott appears to be showing are some cognitive biases (which I think are more prevalent with weaker coping mechanisms, which are common among people with anxiety problems).
- Availability heuristic – estimating what is more likely by what is more available in memory, which is biased toward vivid, unusual, or emotionally charged examples. - Confirmation bias – the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions - Negativity bias – the tendency to pay more attention and give more weight to negative than positive experiences or other kinds of information.
But he's an excellent comedian so we forgive him.
Also, hello INFPverse.
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:02 am |
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Also, sorry about the necropost. Didn't notice my topic display was backwards. Bad default IMO.
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:36 pm |
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Good points there, newbie.  (And no worries about the necro-post, personally I like seeing old topics revived with fresh input). 
_________________ What would the world be, once bereft Of wet and of wildness? Let them be left, O let them be left, wildness and wet; Long live the weeds and the wilderness yet. - Gerard Manley Hopkins
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Post subject: Re: Culturally spoiled Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:48 pm |
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We're all pretty much necrophilic here.
Or is it just me?
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